What if Honda joins NASCAR?

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 10/11/2014 at 16:33 • Filed to: What if?

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If Honda joins NASCAR, Soichiro would turn into a zombie and eat the brains of whoever took that decision, because they obviously don't use them.

Racescort666 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 10/11/2014 at 16:35

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Do they have a V8 they could homologate? They could probably race an Accord body since the 2 doors are only built in Marysville.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Racescort666 10/11/2014 at 16:43

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They could borrow one or something, luckily Honda's current racing profile, seems unfit for NASCAR, so there are as many chances of seeing them there, as there are chances of seeing a GT-R or Tesla.

The format is simply not attractive enough for manufacturers, or on the same page with today's trends in the car market. That's why Dodge left.

Racescort666 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 10/11/2014 at 16:47

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The thing that's kind of irritating to me is that almost none of NASCAR can be used to develop road car tech.

Edit: NASCAR is used as a basis for safety tech for other race series so I guess there's that.

Nobi > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 10/11/2014 at 16:48

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If Honda joined NASCAR, their transmissions would explode, the piston rings wouldn't seal which would foul out their spark plugs, and there'd be endless crying about why the car lost because of the lack of VTEC.

ly2v8-Brian > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 10/11/2014 at 17:08

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Ew, no

feather-throttle-not-hair > Racescort666 10/11/2014 at 17:25

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i dont like that they drive on ovals.

Racescort666 > feather-throttle-not-hair 10/11/2014 at 17:43

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I see the appeal from a racecar development standpoint. The car only has to turn one way: make it so that, in the turn, the weight evens out and the camber evens out on both the right and left tires. Staggered tires? Sure, only gotta go one way. Asymmetric aero, why not?

I appreciate the sport of stock car racing, I completely understand why people do it. The brain dead ignorance of the fans of NASCAR are what ruin it for me.

feather-throttle-not-hair > Racescort666 10/11/2014 at 17:53

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Dude, my comment was super trolly. And for that I apologize (unless it made you smile a bit, in which case i'm resolutely unapologetic.) I actually see the appeal of oval racing for a number of factors, the biggest being that you regularly get to see guys go 3 and sometimes even 4 wide around a corner.

It's the polar opposite of rally racing, one is man vs man, the other is man vs track. While technically in both series' you're racing against both factors, they skew in opposite directions.

That said, oval racing sure is boring to watch for me . Also, the cars are the worst, not talking about what they actually are, more about what they're pretending to be.

"Yeah, so i've got this 800 hp RWD beast with a 4-speed manual transmission and no ABS. So we should probably make it look like a Camry."

I mean, dont get me wrong, a VW Polo is also kinda a piece of shit, but its not the most boring car sold in the world.

Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 10/11/2014 at 18:16

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VTEC V8 BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The Transporter > Racescort666 10/11/2014 at 22:49

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There's nothing stock about a stock car, not even the engines. Unless Toyota builds a short stroke pushrod big block V8 that I don't know about, then their NASCAR engine is just as bespoke as Ford's and Chevy's.

Racescort666 > The Transporter 10/11/2014 at 23:01

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They still have to homologate engines. Neither Ford nor GM have NASCAR engines in vehicles they sell but they both have homologated engines. You can buy them though the performance parts catalogs.

The Transporter > Racescort666 10/11/2014 at 23:35

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When you said homologation, I thought you meant like in sports car racing where it had to be production based. Seeing as how NASCAR'S needs are so specific, I don't see what it would matter one way or another as any car company entering NASCAR for the first time would have to build a brand new engine from scratch, anyway.

Racescort666 > The Transporter 10/11/2014 at 23:41

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I would need to review the regulations but they would need to tool a 5.8L pushrod V8 which, as far as I know, they have nothing close to that. NASCAR's homoligation is a bit weird like that. Neither Ford nor GM, nor Toyota puts the engine they have homologated in any of their production vehicles.

PS9 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 10/12/2014 at 01:45

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It would require them to consider producing a V8, and they're not going to do that. So, not happening.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 10/12/2014 at 04:00

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Then I would hate them forever.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Nobi 10/12/2014 at 04:01

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Honda transmissions exploding? Please explain?

The Transporter > Racescort666 10/12/2014 at 08:11

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That's because a NASCAR engine would be a horrible choice for a production car. It's a big block pushrod V8 capable of 10,000 rpm. They've been bored out as much as the block will allow and de-stroked to keep the displacement at 5.8 liters. To keep the weight of the connecting rods down, the block is cast with a deck height that would be unusable in a non-racing application. Even with the fuel injection system they added a few years back, I have no idea how they'd get it to pass CAFE or CARB regulations. Essentially, all NASCAR technology is stuck in the mid-70s when they capped displacement at 5.8 liters.

Nobi > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 10/12/2014 at 08:41

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Previous-gen Accords with the 3.5 are notorious for grenading their transmissions if equipped with an automatic. The Pilot and Odyssey were too for a while.

Racescort666 > The Transporter 10/12/2014 at 10:12

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I don't remember when they switched but GM was the last manufacturer to use a production based engine. I want to say it was some time in the 90s when they switched to SB2. Regardless, yes, they have good reason for not using them in regular production cars.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Nobi 10/12/2014 at 13:40

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Really? I had no idea. Then again, I don't keep up with newer Hondas very much.

Nobi > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 10/12/2014 at 17:57

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Yeah, I'm a tech at a Honda Dealership. I will say that as of late, their quality has improved, but for a while, with the Fit as the exception, not one Honda didn't have a major issue. CR-V's ate tires, Civic engine blocks were porous, Pilots, Odysseys, and Accords were spitting their transmissions out, and Crosstours had wheel vibration issues.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Nobi 10/12/2014 at 19:24

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Yikes! Glad Honda has been coming back out of that time, but my god! I had no idea of that!

James H > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/07/2015 at 15:46

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I know this is old, but next time you use someone's artwork in a post, it'd be nice to credit the artist. Which would be me.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > James H 01/07/2015 at 16:05

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Well, I didn't know who did that as I found it using Google image search.

Maybe you should put a little watermark or sign the pictures in a corner or something.

CodyKerr77 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/08/2015 at 01:01

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Maybe you should put a little more effort into a post if you're the author of it.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > CodyKerr77 01/08/2015 at 09:21

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Well, I could probably do that, but his pictures will still be out there and up for grabs by anyone who wants to use them. That's why I told him to sign his work or at least use watermark.